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The reason why I was asking this is that it seems very specific to a particular time period, and the OP's question was across various times. I'll try to find a good source for you on Melanesia, I couldn't find a good one on the googles. The Melanesian matrilineal societies are a very interesting read because it's one of the things that helped disprove much of Freud's theories about Oedipus complexes and penis envy.
Freud tried to claim that tension between teenage sons and their fathers came from a boy's jealousy of his father having sex with his mother. The Mother's Brother is the father figure in Melanesian society, yet teenage boys were still observed to have this same tension with their Mother's Brother, who much like a biological father has authority over them, and very little or no tension whatsoever with their biological father, even though their uncles obviously were not having sex with the mother, and the biological father was.
Pretty much disproved much of Freud's theories right there.
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I know I'm going to need a source for this. Anyone have one out there? Very interesting topic that relates to the Cherokee's matrilineal society in a way as well. It's probably in one of the kinship books I reference below, but not sure which one. Some great sources for reading up on the topic of kinship are: Manual for Kinship Analysis by Ernest L. Rubel, although it's about Northwestern Native American Peoples, who are unrelated to the Cherokee, but very interesting to read about the potlatches and how they related to kinship in that society. The next nearest male member of their mother's family would most likely serve as a male role-model.
Minor comment on the seven clans, from Robert Conley's Cherokee Encyclopedia: I'm providing the publication date of the reference I used. Apologies if I came off as pretentious, I was in a hurry. Can I make it up to you with a magical internet approval point?
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Most important male person in your life, to be more accurate. He's the go-to male role model, but let's not overstate his importance in the child's life. Sex was tied with reproduction. There was a folk belief that simultaneous orgasm by both partners was required and that the effects of such might linger quite a while before the actual pregnancy would begin. How common and well-regarded this particular belief was, I can't say. What were intratribal relations like for the various clans? Would the villagers of clan A stock together vs villagers of clan B, assuming they all lived together in the same village?
That was kind of the point of the intermarriage system, basically meant if you were taking arms against another clan in your village, you were taking arms against your brother, your cousin, etc. This was likely true for most nearby villages as well. When a man married a woman, it was really their grandmothers who were joining families together.
Matrilineal means you describe your family through your mother. Matriarchal means women rule or govern the family. Most or maybe even all matriarchal families are also matrilineal. Matrilineal does not always go in hand with matriarchal though. Cherokee are not matriarchal, although women were the head of the family structure, they were considered equals in making decisions within the community, much like modern western society.
If I said the women were the matriarch of the family, I only meant within the family structure, not within the community at large.
Since others have talked about the Cherokee already, I'll look north to their cousins on either side of Lake Ontario--the Wendat Huron, north of the lake and the Haudenosaunee Iroquois, south of the lake. Barbara Mann's Iroquoian Women is my principal source here.
Beginning at puberty, boys and girls were allowed to court as they pleased and often had many suitors. The early French missionaries in the area, like Le Jeune and Sagard, bemoan the sexual liberty that teenage Iroquoians enjoyed provided the partners from of differing clans. Unfortunately, Mann has a fairly lengthy discussion analyzing a long song beginning on the bottom of page 98, which would have been quite useful for this discussion if it weren't almost certainly wrong.
She's quoting Montaigne here, and Montaigne's famous "savages" were almost certainly Tupi from the French Antarctic southern coast of Brazil today rather than any Iroquoian people. I figured I should mention that in case anyone else happens to read that portion of the book. Her description of Iroquoian courtship might still be accurate here, but its erroneous to foist an Iroquoian interpretation on the love song. The late teens and early twenties was the time to start settling down.
The Clan Mothers in charge of each longhouse set about negotiating arrangements for potential marriages. The young woman was consulted on which of her various suitors she preferred, but she was never pressured into a marriage unless she was pregnant and intended to keep the child abortion and adoption were both options available to a women when traditional contraceptives failed. Even then, her would-be husband would still be a suitor of her choice rather than necessarily the biological father. She was not obligated to name the father, though men regarded it as a honor to be recognized.
Once the young woman named a potential husband, her Clan Mothers made the proposal to his Clan Mothers. Unless he was vehemently against the union, his Clan Mothers expressed their consent by presenting the woman's Clan Mothers with gifts. At this point the couple entered into a trial marriage that could last up to several weeks.
For most of this time, the man lived in the woman's longhouse, though he would occasionally return to his own. The woman's Clan Mothers observed their interactions and sought to ensure their eventual marriage would be a long-lasting union rather than a temporary fling. If things went poorly for whatever, the woman's Clan Mothers returned the young man and the gifts he had brought along with him.
However, if the young couple passes the Clan Mother's tests, they progress to a full marriage. The woman's longhouse prepares a feast and the celebration takes place in the man's longhouse. Afterward, the new husband and wife lived in the woman's longhouse and the man was thereafter under the authority of his wife's Clan Mothers. As it was the Clan Mothers' duty to settle disputes among the residents of their respective longhouses, it was also their job to settle any marital problems that might arise between a wife and her husband--which included forcing a divorce in circumstances including infertility, incessant arguing, domestic violence, ineptitude.
Either partner might petition the Clan Mothers for a divorce voluntarily and would usually be granted one unless children were involved, in which case only extreme situations warranted a divorce. Children were the only real obligation of the marriage, and monogamy wasn't a necessary part of the arrangement. For men, a common extra-marital affair might happen with a Hunting Wife, a woman who accompanied a hunting party into the countryside.
Hunting Wives were usually women who decline the usual societal roles of women, and didn't want regular husbands, children, or Clan Motherhood. The wife often found her husband a Hunting Wife, so she wouldn't have to accompany him out on his long journeys herself. Women could enjoy extra-marital relations themselves, and famously among the Seneca, they might choose to have multiple husbands into the 20th Century, it seems. I already mentioned the Hunting Wives defying the usual gender expectations of women; there were also men who became honorary women and served on the Clan Mother's Council usually as intermediaries between their councils and the men's councils.
For Cherokee, this apparently was the case, as UNC Chapel Hill points out in the second to last paragraph of this article. But remember, Cherokee assimilated with whites much more than many other native peoples, and it was this assimilation with European culture that caused the values of their matrilineal society to disintegrate. Here's the quote so you don't have to sift through the article, "By the s the Cherokees had lost their independence and had become dominated by white Americans. At this time white Americans did not believe that it was proper for women to fight wars, vote, speak in public, work outside the home, or even control their own children.
The Cherokees began to imitate whites, and Cherokee women lost much of their power and prestige. In the twentieth century, all women have had to struggle to acquire many of those rights which Cherokee women once freely enjoyed.
I mean no offense, but do you have other sources to draw from? Professional distaste for his approach aside, a broad survey is less than ideal. Are there any monographs you could draw from? No scholarly articles though, sorry. Those are not acceptable sources for an academic debate on Native American cultures. I have regretfully removed your comment.
I'm not the guy whose comment you deleted, nor did I see it before its deletion, but I'm curious - why is Howard Zinn not a permitted source? I was always taught that he was a legitimate historian and spearheaded the revisionist movement. It's not that he is not a permitted source, though do have a look at our FAQ section on Zinn , it's that he's not a good source for an in-depth discussion of Native American societies.
There's the fact that he calls them "Indians" throughout, but mainly he just does not spend any appreciable amount of time discussing them at all, which is fine, it's not the focus of his book, but it makes him a poor source. Sources and it was the Indians who were savages not the whites. Lets remember basic science couldn't enter the featherheads. Racism is not tolerated on this subreddit. You've already contributed a bunch of pretty terrible comments on this sub.
Its so nice to share and have our stories woven back into the fabric. Thank you Laura for your additional publicity of this project! It was truly an honor to work with the curriculum guide writers—a mixture of Native and nonNative teachers from across Nebraska—to bring this project together as well as working with the UNL folks who created the magazine. We tried to bring as much variety as possible to the lesson plans in order for educators nationwide to be able to implement this fantastic magazine into their curriculums.
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There is a minute documentary being produced that will come out also. Here is the website: I think this is totally amazing and my hands go up to those that have worked on this for Native American Women to be recognized in the work that has been preformed by them.
The Quinault Indian Nation has a tribal president that is female and has met with our president of the USA several times in the last year.
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She is also an attorney. Yes our current President is female and our President before her is an amazing woman that worked with some of Indian Countries greatest and she also qualifies as one too we also have 4 women sitting on our tribal council currently and several other amazing women throughout our history. Quinault is a matriarchal tribe with a bunch of amazing women. I am forever grateful to witness such an awesome project come to life and cannot wait to see more.
I raise my hands to any and all that touched this historic project. Today, Native Women who have fused the traditional elements of their Ancestral Philosophies, medicines, talents and skills into the journals of contemporary tribal survival will forge the New Native America. Not into the history books but rather, into the future itself. You could not have found a better lady to adorn the cover of your publication as Anawake is majestic in both beauty and spirit.
I want more education on the topics of Indian Women Issues…. There is a vast range that needs to be addressed but I can seem to tap into where I need to be…there are so many and so much… I would love to order this magazine. I am proud to be part Mescalero Apache, and more proud of my three Mescalero Apache grandmothers who survived the hardships imposed on them in the concentration camp at Bosque Redondo, Fort Sumner, in New Mexico.
And more proud and honored when they made the difficult walk from Fort Sumner to Fort Defiance, Arizona with the Navajos when they were released by the Federal Government.
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Furthermore, I am proud of my sister, Rhoda, who became our mother figure after our mother died from tuberculosis, contracted when she attended the federal boarding school system. Is the magazine for sale? God bless your endeavor. I believe most thinking people appreciate the obvious contribution the survival of their family, tribe and USA as a whole.
Much could be learnt from Native American Women in natural healing, Art and craft, along with surviving a difficult social environment. They endured the unthinkable for us to have a better life. I come from an amazing line of women leaders who have had a great impact on preserving the Lakota language, culture, history, water and way of life. It in our blood to be strong. We have not had a choice but to be strong! It is not taught what we survived and how we have tried to deal with genocide. We are still healing in many ways! We are matriarchal societies, where the warriors came to the women to decide as a team how to handle the battles.
Its good to see that the truths are being told about the strength of our women. I noticed that somehow, the late Wilma Mankiller did not make this list. As the first female Chief of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, and as an activist for decades prior to and after her terms in office, and as one of the founder of Ms. As a beloved Elder she is dearly and greatly missed to this day. I love this article for its history of the Native American women. I would love to learn more about the contributions of these powerful women. African women held a lot of power in Ancient African High Culture, and thanks to the comment about the women in Ireland having a lot of power made me smile.
I feature a few Native American women. I appreciate you sharing this article post. To know more about them: I read about different Indian tribes before and during the first contact of the white settlers, i also took serious note of the Indian wars and how they were plagued by diseases brought by the Europeans, which most historians described as genocide. The favourite part of my quests was reading about leaders such as Crazy horse, Sitting bull, Touch the Cloud, and the famous Geronimo.
My most bitter part reading about the Indians was how they were forced to walk to the Reservations with women and children among them. There are justifiable reasons for these formidable Indian women to be respected for being strong enough to stand the ups and downs encountered by their race, and I seized this opportunity to dignify all women of the Buffalo Nations, the Kiowa, Navaho, Chiricahua Apache, Cherokee, Ogala, Omaha, Jivaro, Pueblo, Comanche, Sioux, Mohawk, Mojave, Lakota, Crow, Creek and every other native American tribe.
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